As you may have noticed, the TMX Track List, which used to be posted every second Wednesday, has not been around for some time now. This is due to the fact that those lists take a lot of time to write, and with a lot of other stuff going on last month, there simply wasn’t enough time left for the track lists.
And there’s no way around it: Those lists still require a lot of work, even if I personally have a lot more time on my hands now to actually do something about them. But I’ll be honest: THEY ARE BORING (to write, that is - a lot of editing to do and minor detailed information to add)! Besides, I actually don’t think they are or have ever been that useful to anyone. Sure, it was fun comparing track ratings to each other, and those actually on the list got themselves and ego-boost, but in the long run, is the work it takes to create each list worth the effort?
The future of the TMX Track list lie on your skinny shoulders. If you really enjoyed these lists and would like to see them continue, of course they can be “brought back to life”. But if it really doesn’t matter much, they can just as well be left alone forever.
So, you can express your opinions about whether the TMX Track List should return to its bi-weekly position here at the blog or not. Also, take a few seconds to make a simple “yes or no” vote on the topic by clicking here 
Have a nice evening 
Sorry for the double post today. Don’t forget to check out this weeks screenshots in the post below, if you haven’t already ;)
June 11, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Well, It’s really fun to get a track rated
I love to see what rating my tracks get… I really love them 
But if you don’t want to write them it’s okay. I can maybe make one sometime, but I suck writing suchs things in english…
June 11, 2007 at 9:29 pm
i gotta admit, i thought the track-lists to be rather useless…
mostly i jsut skipped through them, more out of boredom than of anything else.
in my opinion a track-review gives you by far a better impression of a track and i would rather like to see one more of those than another track list.
jsut my 2 cents though
June 11, 2007 at 10:49 pm
I was thinking in the same line as Insane, but I can see both points, which is really the problem for me here
Also, ignore me in the equation and answer this: Would you like the TMX Track List to return, or should it’s space be used for something else?
June 12, 2007 at 8:36 am
ok… If the TMX tracklist continues I’ll weekly pay you 350 coppers
I kinda like them but I think you should be the one deciding that, you’re the one that looses time doing boring things
And who said I have skinny shoulders??
June 12, 2007 at 10:16 am
I think it might work if the system was changed so that Jozii would collect the tracks to the list, and we would do the rating/reviewing in the comments…but probably there’s no way to make that work :S
June 12, 2007 at 10:19 am
Tonic_91, so in essence, you’d just want a link list, cus the comment/rating(awarding?) can be done over at TMX and honestly, is that where we’d want such to be?
June 12, 2007 at 10:20 am
(doh, i hate typo’s that change the meaning of a sentence)
correct: [...] isn’t that where we’d want such to be?
June 12, 2007 at 10:57 am
well i have to say, i dont look often at the tracklist, but still i think that its kinda interesting to see what rating they get (remember, artemis arrow: 7.0 wtf 0_o )
and of course the highest rated tracks get more attention, cause some are still underrated
when i see a high rated track which i dont know, i download it to test how good it really is
but i know that those tracklists some time and maybe you shoulkd get some help from some of us?
June 12, 2007 at 12:29 pm
How about some kind of voting system? Every week (or every second week), I make up the list of tracks (as some of you know, these are simply the newest (since the last list was published) most awarded tracks for 10 of those who have signed up for the list (one track per player)). Then you guys can rate each track between 1 and 10 through some kind of voting (perhaps the forum will come in handy then).
That means that in each post, you’d get the top list of how you rated this weeks tracks (the average), plus a list of the ten new tracks for the coming list. To make things even more exciting, all authors who got, say, above 8 as the average rating for their track are guaranteed to be listed again next time (assuming they have made at least one new track in the two weeks they have)… that way this could turn in to:
1) A race to get the highest ratings
2) A fight to try and stay on the list for as long as possible (as there are only 10 tracks/issue and more then 10 authors signed up for the list)
Saves me the trouble, gets you guys involved and increases the fun of trying to be “on top”
On the downside, it doesn’t say as much about what is good/bad in a track, as there would be only the rating, but then again, if you want to know that, you can always sign up for a track review 
June 12, 2007 at 12:52 pm
hm quite a good idea djo
but i would like to hear more of soem kind of neutral person if a track is good
if this spreads out into a race for the highest ratings, many will give bad points
and honestly, i doubt that anyone is that interested in gwetting first in this tracklist
June 12, 2007 at 2:31 pm
I think you shouldn’t continue with the Track list, because you (Jozii) said, that you hadn’t enough time for Track Reviews. And the reviews are much more interesting and are more noticed.:)
But one question: If the Track list “dies” (
), do the people who signed up for the list get their coppers back?
June 12, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Djo=Djoszee
Jo=Jozii
TB, learn it!
I strongly believe that if enough people vote, the ratings will reflect the general feeling of the track. If only one person does the judging, even if he tries to have a neutral point of view (which I do), it sometimes fails, remember?
But that’s also the problem: Will enough people vote? I doubt it. Maybe something more simple, like just voting for your favorite track? But then it almost eliminates the good/bad factor completely
June 12, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Ah, Aarox, you posted as I was writing xD So here’s a double post:
I do normally have time for track REVIEWS of the normal kind, but the track LIST is like writing 8-10 reviews at once
Even though the actual text is a lot less than in a normal review, there’s still the process of playing the tracks and editing/adding the details (name, author, etc.).
I’m leaning towards the no-side, but based on the votes and the comments here most lean toward the yes-side… And in the end, I’ll count your overall opinion higher thn my own
But: I’d also be willing to write an article to post every time the track lit used to be posted. And I belive articles are a lot more useful/interesting than the track list for you to read, and it’s a lot more fun for me to write
And about the copper return: The copper cost was to eliminate the possibility of too many people signing up at the same time more then to earn coppers. Thus, I’d be willing to return the coppers to those who want it. But I’m also quite sure that if I was to return the coppers to everyone, half of you would send it back with the words “keep them, I don’t need them”… So IF the track list doesn’t continue, those who ask for it can have their coppers back
June 12, 2007 at 5:35 pm
So, basically, the TrackList is consuming resources Jozii would prefer to spend on something he considers more useful for the general audience. That’s the bottom line.
It’s true that the tracklist is too brief about each of the tracks to really give any feedback for the author; therefore, the authors have to pray that it gets good enough numerical rating for others to get interested and download it and provide the feedback or “rewards” instead. I myself am one of those who more than a few times thought his track got underrated on the list without actually learning why.
So, what are the options?
1) We somehow persuade Jozii to prepare the list even though he doesn’t prefer that.
2) A person is found willing to make the track instead of Jozii; just as I’m writing articles for Tuesdays, someone might make the lists for Wednesdays or other day.
3) The list is transformed into something more useful/interesting. Something like Head-to-head comparison reviews of 2 or 3 tracks with the same environment/style, perhaps? Or three “judges” quick-reviewing each of the 10 tracks independently and then posting their minireviews together, so that there’s a “second opinion”?
June 12, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Alcatore, the last posted version of the track list used text as well, and of course this needs to be the standard if the list is to continue as it is. What you are refering to is the “old” list that included only the scores.
Option two is good, but difficult
Obviously, the person in question must have decent English skills and do a good job keeping track on whose turn in is to be listed, what tracks should be listed, etc. Also, s/he must be able to give good but short reviews and come up with suitable ratings.
June 12, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Wow, I’m impressed, Jozii just managed to transform my nickname into correct form for adressing me (”Alcatore”) in Czech!
I agree on the rest.
June 12, 2007 at 7:04 pm
I think the voting system in Jozii’s 2nd comment would be the best choice
As Jozii said, it would be less work for him, and would get us involved 
June 12, 2007 at 8:31 pm
lol tb, stop confusing everyone
Insane is right, a review is better then the tmx list. I voted no… your rating this is a good idea. Maybe you can create a small group of voters that will vote every week. With only one vote we’ll get no avarage, which makes voting useless
June 12, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Votings show that the list should continue, so I guess completely dropping the idea is out of the question. But I decide it should NOT continue in the old style. And as the voting thing is the best option so far, that’s what we’ll go with, unless someone else comes up with a better idea
Here are a few suggested versions of the voting system:
1) Public voting (rating). Everyone can rate each of the 10 listed tracks. The ratings and order of the 10 tracks would then be announced in the next list update, along with the 10 new tracks for the next post.
2) Public voting (simple). Everyone can vote for their favorite track (or maybe even up to three tracks) for each week. The tracks are then listed according to how many votes they received. Alternatively, all members on the list (currently 24 I think) could have one track each in the voting, and the 10 most popular ones would be officially listed. Doesn’t include any rating though…
3) Closed voting (judges). A handful of “fixed” people function as judges and rate the 10 tracks each time. The tracks and ratings are then listed. As an addition, each judge should say in MAXIMUM THREE SENTENCES what was good and what was bad about the track (to give a brief overview of the track).
I’m not sure which one I prefer the most…
June 13, 2007 at 8:31 am
I think the second option would work better
June 13, 2007 at 10:50 am
That would be the most simple one, yes. And I like it too. But I already know that people will complain when there’s a list of only votes. Text is needed too, and for that option 3 would be best… But #3 isn’t as simple…
*Sigh*
Anyway, I just checked my “summer schedule”, and I realized that since this is a bi-weekly event, even if we would start the votings today and have the first list ready next week, getting things started “for real” would take some weeks.
As some of you know, I’ll be away for about a month in total (mainly in July/August). Thus, starting the list now seems pointless. Instead, it will begin AFTER the summer holidays, which can seem like a time far away from today.
Still, I’ll need to know what to do then, so keep this disucssion alive anyway